40. Examining Annie and Nick's Relationship on 'Shrill', Was It Mixed Messages or Missed Messages?
On this week’s episode, Chatrice and Luis talk and review the third season of Shrill (Hulu). Since last time, Luis has developed a cold and recently back from vacation, while Chatrice is waiting on her house to finish and has been watching all the Black content on HBO Max. For the main topic (SPOILER WARNING), our hosts want to talk about mixed messages through the arc of Annie and Nick on “Shrill” in season 3. What do you make when someone is being flirty, spending a lot of time with you, pay for meals, wanting to keep seeing you, and invite you over late at night? Does that mean someone is into you? Courting Cuties, have you ever mixed up someone’s message or flipside you missed all the messages that they were into you?
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Time Stamps:
0:30 - Hello, Welcome Back, and Check In
5:56 - Me moments of the week for the week since last episodes
7:45 - Merch idea: “I can only do as much with the time that I have” - Luis
9:12 - Chatrice applied for the “Live Anywhere” Airbnb program!
10:52 - Shout Out for the Culture: Chatrice watches all the Black and POC content including In the Heights, Pause with Sam Jay, Black Lady Sketch Show
11:54 - In the Heights discourse: Afro-Latinx people not present in the move
18:06 - Black TikTokers are on strike using Megan the Stallion’s “Thot Shit”
19:32 - Black queer people at the 2021 BET Awards!
20:56 - Main Topic Section: Mixed Messages or Missed Messages
22:04 - Description of Show
22:54 - Character breakdown
24:04 - Overall thoughts on the show
26:58 - Chatrice leaning into her identity as a fat Black woman
28:26 - Focus: Annie and Nick’s 4-episode story arc
29:02 - Annie and Nick’s Encounter #1: Nick shows up at Annie’s office, go out for coffee at the park
30:19 - Annie and Nick’s Encounter #1: Reaction
34:40 - Annie and Nick’s Encounter #2: Annie and Nick are eating breakfast
36:20 - If the hosts were Annie, what would they be thinking at this point two encournters in?
36:40 - Is breakfast a date-y meal?
37:35 - “Breakfast is the most important meal of the day but it is the least important meal in dating and relationships” - Luis
38:25 - Annie and Nick’s Encounter #4: Annie posts a thirst trap and Nick falls into you
38:44 - Defining “thirst trap”
40:29 - Annie and Nick’s Encounter #4: Reaction
41:19 - Intimacy of friendships as you have in romantic and sexual relationships
42:11- What are the parameters of booty call hours?
45:22 - Use explicitly of the word “date” or the words “going out”
46:14 - Context of the word “out” referencing “going out”
47:01 - Annie and Nick’s Encounter #5: Nick and Annie hang out, Annie cooks her (what Fran calls) “sex lasagna”
50:26 - Visceral reaction to Nick not being into Annie
50:40 - Keeps you on the roster without commitment
52:22 - Reaction to Annie and Nick’s Encounter #5
56:09 - Time to go back to the social contract and social construct of dating
1:00:04 - Final Question: Is Annie a victim of MIXed message or MISSed messages from Nick?
1:02:18 - Any tips for the Annies and Nicks out there, the ones who are giving and receiving the mixed messages?
1:02:54 - Tip from the Luis Vault: express your interest after the first date
1:05:52 - Chatrice’s advice for the Nicks out there
1:08:28 - Episode ends